Curse

MithranArkanere · May 07, 2009, 02:43 PM // 14:43

They should add more showy stuff in the gold collectors, move the bags to the silver, and add alternate ways to get them.

For example, there is the 'everlasting alcohol' idea in Sardelac.
And they could put an everlasting Zaishen tonic in there too.
I'm sure we can think of a lot of showy prestige stuff to add there to make gold worth it other than bags, which are useful stuff.

eht123 · May 07, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Wish there was an RMT option for the 20 slot packs, like there are for makeovers and storage panes...

Shadowhaze · May 07, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Yep, now people that abuse the pvp quests and re-roll char after char are selling them for xx/xxx ecto. Annoying to say the least. They should make those quests account based. (Yeah, I know the grind is an issue, but some people abhor pvp or visa versa they can't stand pve.)

So now I'm just saying screw it. I'll do certain quests for chars that still need them, but other than that, I'm done with mindless grinding the game has become.

cthulhu reborn · May 07, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Now that we can swap coins between characters and put them in the xunlai it is a little easier and there must be people who have enough coins to get the heavy q-pack. But I don't see any of em being sold by players.

Something tells me it's not gonna happen either, cause it would appear that the trouble it takes to get them means they are going to have to be a lot more expensive than the actual value of 15-zkeys or gold coins.

So I guess I'm screwed anyway cause I really don't have the time to do all these challenges of things I don't want to do. Hell, I don't even have the time to do the ones I do like as much as I would need to. So I guess I will have one in a few months and then I can wonder about my remaining 13 characters...

No, this really took the "fun" value out of it. I guess I hope they are trying to make the most out of trying to sell xunlai panes and once they sold enough it might get easier to get the q-packs. Either way I am not too thrilled.

A11Eur0 · May 07, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by own age myname

We've all lived without the bag for 4 years. Atleast we have the chance to get them now, right?

Yeah, we have the chance to either spend 10 hours a day playing just to get one in a week, or play CASUALLY as GW WAS INTENDED and get it after....oh....a YEAR. Yeah there's a chance. Not a very reasonable chance, but there's a chance. Can't argue that, can we?

Arkantos · May 08, 2009, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Yeah, we have the chance to either spend 10 hours a day playing just to get one in a week, or play CASUALLY as GW WAS INTENDED and get it after....oh....a YEAR. Yeah there's a chance. Not a very reasonable chance, but there's a chance. Can't argue that, can we?

Stop exaggerating, it doesn't take nearly a year to get it playing casually.

own age is right. You all did fine without it, and now you have a chance to get it. It's a shame to see how many impatient people there are around here.

Yichi · May 08, 2009, 02:27 AM // 02:27

I was able to get the 10 slot pack in like a week and a half, just playing casually. works out just fine. the rest all work out fine with the 5 slot bags.

I'll buy the other ones later on if ever needed.

Daesu · May 08, 2009, 03:10 AM // 03:10

One way to do it with 5 slot bags is to NOT have multiple armor sets. Meaning no 55 build or 600 build. Also dont use wand+focus, say goodbye to your 20/20 set. Use a staff instead and have only 1 staff for everything. This means your build would be fixed, if you are a fire ele just stick to fire, otherwise you may need additional head gear, if PUGs complain then just say you dont have the inventory space for that build and blame ANet.

These are some of the ways you can save space.

lg5000 · May 08, 2009, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by Daesu

One way to do it with 5 slot bags is to NOT have multiple armor sets. Meaning no 55 build or 600 build. Also dont use wand+focus, say goodbye to your 20/20 set. Use a staff instead and have only 1 staff for everything. This means your build would be fixed, if you are a fire ele just stick to fire, otherwise you may need additional head gear, if PUGs complain then just say you dont have the inventory space for that build and blame ANet.

These are some of the ways you can save space.

Or you could just do what everyone's done so far minus those bags..

Daesu · May 08, 2009, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by lg5000

Or you could just do what everyone's done so far minus those bags..

Actually that was what I have been doing so far before the bags came along. I usually have about 3 inventory space when I go out to explorable areas.

It sucks, but that explains why I didnt play as much as I could have.

Even if you dont farm and have only 1 set of armor (the one that your character is wearing), if you are a warrior, you need headgear for swordmanship, axe, or hammer. You need a strength shield and a tactics shield, an axe, a sword, and a hammer. How many slots is that already? Sure you can always stick to 1 build, and reduce playability, fun, and enjoyment experimenting with different builds for your warrior.

Plus if you are the sort that keep tributes for collectors, lockpicks, consets, different anti-DP consummables, pumped-up consummables like cupcakes, different summoning stones, different books, expert + normal salvage kits, id kit, weapon mods and inscriptions, mini pets, dyes, left over lunar tokens, victory tokens, cc shards, different alcohol, halloween stuff, christmas stuff, cc weapons + gingerbread shield/focus, luxon totems, trade contacts, imperial commendation, passage scrolls, kurzick equipment requisitions, inscribed secrets, ancient artifacts, zkeys, tonics, zho's journal, recently picked up rare weapons, etc. etc.

Yes, I keep most of these in my stash but even with stash space, you can understand why some of these would overflow to character inventories. After playing 4 years with 4 campaigns + BMP, you do collect ALOT of stuff.

kazjun · May 08, 2009, 04:29 AM // 04:29

And don't forget all the armour sets anet encouraged you to get for your HoM. At least 5 armour sets per character.

Wish Swiftdeath · May 08, 2009, 04:58 AM // 04:58

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Originally Posted by kazjun

And don't forget all the armour sets anet encouraged you to get for your HoM. At least 5 armour sets per character.

WHAT?

People do multiple HoM?

lg5000 · May 08, 2009, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Daesu, I keep my spare stuff on a mule character. If I know I'll be playing a certain class, I will pull the appropriate equipment from the mule into storage for easy access.

Btw, do you as a warrior switch out axe/sword/hammer whilst being in an explorable area? If not, what's wrong with keeping the other weapons in storage?

Basically, it worked fine before these quests came along. Yes, it's taking a bit longer than I would like it to take getting said bags, but.. it worked before, it'll work until such a time as I finally get the 15 gold zcoins I need.. and that's only the first character.. let alone the other 10.

Daesu · May 08, 2009, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by lg5000

Daesu, I keep my spare stuff on a mule character. If I know I'll be playing a certain class, I will pull the appropriate equipment from the mule into storage for easy access.

Btw, do you as a warrior switch out axe/sword/hammer whilst being in an explorable area? If not, what's wrong with keeping the other weapons in storage?

Basically, it worked fine before these quests came along. Yes, it's taking a bit longer than I would like it to take getting said bags, but.. it worked before, it'll work until such a time as I finally get the 15 gold zcoins I need.. and that's only the first character.. let alone the other 10.

I usually keep the customized stuff with that specific character since they are the only one who can use them. I used to have a mule but it became my playable character.

6 characters for each core profession + 1 from faction profession + 1 from NF brings that to 8. And 1 Pvp char (because I want to make use of my full unlock) which also acts as my mule so I guess I do have one, but it is still full trying to support 8 pve chars. Also making my pvp char a mule has the drawback of being difficult to delete her later on when I want to.

Red Sonya · May 08, 2009, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Now that we can swap coins between characters and put them in the xunlai it is a little easier and there must be people who have enough coins to get the heavy q-pack. But I don't see any of em being sold by players.

Something tells me it's not gonna happen either,

Well then you hang out in the wrong places because I've seen a couple now being auctioned for well over 250ectos. One was in Spamadon and the other in the Temple of Balthazar. The seller in Balthazar was actually moving through all the districts as well to make sure as many people as possible saw that he had one for sale.

Personally if I ever get ONE I damn sure won't be selling it. I don't play 24/7 like some noobs as I have a life outside of playing silly games. I could probably have enough coins within 14 weeks if I played everyday after work and then all day on the weekends till I passed out but damn if I'm going to do that. I can hardly stomach this game 2 hours a day now on average as the loot content is bland and the leveling aspect is carebear. The only real fun in this game is stomping noob sins and rangers in PVP.

Gli · May 08, 2009, 09:05 AM // 09:05

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Stop exaggerating, it doesn't take nearly a year to get it playing casually.

Really? How would you define playing casually?

Suppose someone only plays 3 days a week. That's 156 days a year. He'd need to score 48 Z-coins every time he plays. Suppose he doesn't want to do Z-quests every time he logs on. He's a casual player after all, he might want to just play a character through the game. If he only wants to do Z-quests every other day, he'll need to get 96 each time he does. Now let's suppose he doesn't play HM.

I can definitely see it taking over a year of casual play.

ogre_jd · May 08, 2009, 12:03 PM // 12:03

To address a couple of points:

1) Warriors only [b]need[/i] 8 slots (4 helmets, 2 shields, 3 melee weapons, and 1 bow for pulling) to cover most situations, so a 10-slot bag is perfect and all they need since 2-3 of those 10 items will be equipped at all times. Don't really need any extra armor beyond the helmets since most Warrior farming builds seem to have the same armor requirements as regular combat builds - and a 10-slot bag gives you 2 spare slots for those rare situations where they aren't. Most other classes are pretty much the same way, of course, though perhaps Monks might need the 15-slot since their builds seem to have a lot more difference in armor runing, beyond the headgear stat...

2) Once the armor's in your HoM, do you really need to keep it all? Yes, I know it was expensive, but it does take up space to lug it all around and you did NOT have to craft them in the first place - purely optional. Keep a second set that you liked best so you can have a change or rune it for a secondary build that has wildly different requirements (other than the helmet, natch). Salvage the rest (except the helmets, obviously, for attributes you don't happen to have covered yet). More of a waste of good platinum to keep lugging 'em around and not using them than it is to salvage.

3) Casual isn't a matter of time spent, it's a matter of attitude. Casuals don't really need more than the 5-slotter, even the Warriors. They rarely have more than one extra build - and when they do they're almost never more than a helmet & shield change

Gli · May 08, 2009, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

3) Casual isn't a matter of time spent, it's a matter of attitude. Casuals don't really need more than the 5-slotter, even the Warriors. They rarely have more than one extra build - and when they do they're almost never more than a helmet & shield change

I never said it was a matter of time spent. I was just illustrating how someone not spending a lot of time on the game would have trouble earning 7500 coins in a year's time, playing casually. (i.e. not obsessively farming Z-coins and not playing HM.)

In fact, even non-casual players who don't spend many, many hours per week will find it a burden to make 7500 coins in a year.

own age myname · May 08, 2009, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by Gli

Really? How would you define playing casually?

Suppose someone only plays 3 days a week. That's 156 days a year. He'd need to score 48 Z-coins every time he plays. Suppose he doesn't want to do Z-quests every time he logs on. He's a casual player after all, he might want to just play a character through the game. If he only wants to do Z-quests every other day, he'll need to get 96 each time he does. Now let's suppose he doesn't play HM.

I can definitely see it taking over a year of casual play.

Don't forget casual players like that usually don't have more than 1 armor set, or know how to properly rune their armor.

slowerpoke · May 08, 2009, 12:42 PM // 12:42

Ive seen folks trying to sell these HEB's for 100-150e

2.5k for 5slots
645k for 20slots (4.3x150)